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pitt protest flag remake by friedzombiebrain pitt protest flag remake by friedzombiebrain
The final version of an antiwar rally picture I took on 1-26-03 in Pittsburgh. Added a litle sepia to the black & white and gave it a better border. Had it up before but took it down because of the "let's bomb them all" comment someone left. I don't mind if you judge the picture on it's merits. I don't care if you agree or disagree with a possible war with Iraq. Fell free to comment if you feel either way about it. But keep it civil. What I won't tolerate is someone using my photography to promote their racism and hate.
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julius1880 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
See that big building in the background...Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Hall. I worked there when this protest was going on.
Sabattier Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2008   Photographer
This piece has been featured in my journal :)
Sytlali Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2006's incredible

love that flag.
skafy Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2006
this one kicks soo much asss
lehmann Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2005
amazing shot
aBoyBrushedRed777 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2005
Very, very nice photo. I like this a lot.

Would you happen to know where I can acquire one of those flags? Hah.
NatureofMind Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2005  Professional General Artist
kick ass
MnemeChante Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2005
Whoa...I'm...pretty sure...that's... me in the photo.
I remember that protest; I totally wore my Corporate America flag as a cape. I videotaped a bunch of it.
Damn. Nice shot! ;)
valis Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2004  Professional Photographer
Most Americans, I believe, still think that America is a victim.

They simply don't know enough about what the US Government has been doing for the last few decades, and I tend to think that even when the knowledge comes knocking on their doors - they shrug it off with a self-righteous shrug, as though no American could possibly be involved in acts of evil.

Any 'incidents' can always be blamed on the 'occasional bad apple' Sgt. England.

It is, apparently, very easy for America not to follow up on things, not to realize that when Rumsfeld, for instance, says he 'accepts full responsibility' - that something should happen based on that admission. Yet, although he claimed to accept full responsibility, Rumsfeld has not been tried, has not resigned, has not been fired, or suffered any punitive result whatsoever. In effect, his admission of responsibility is just so much voodoo. News-fodder.

It's a horrible situation, and I honestly can't believe it's going to get any better anytime soon.

I've reached a point where I honestly wanted Bush to win.

I'm sick of Democrats and Republicans ( cue laugh track...) playing Good Cop / Bad Cop to the world - and right now - now that at least most of the world's civil society (don't ask me to define that one...) have come to understand - or to begin to understand what America has done and is doing - I do not want that thrust to be lost, as I'm sure it would have been if Kerry had won. He'd have smiled, pulled a Clinton, shook hands - and appeased the world - and the world, sick of everything would have wanted to believe that whereas Bush came to Iraq as an invader, Kerry would have been there to clean up 'Bush's mess'. The world, as it always tends to do, would have probably forgetten, and forgiven, and would have gone back to work, thinking the 'bad guy' had been punished. As though going back to being an unskilled spoilt brat is somehow 'fitting' punishment for the murder of (according to John Hopskins) at least 100,000 innocent Iraqi's, tens of thousands of Afghani's, the invasion and occupation of two nations, and lying to the world at large.

This would all have been forgiven, forgotten. Arabs would have taken the bait, and would have gone back into KFC, fall back in love with the Big Mac , and happily payed their hard-earned money watching Die Hard 17 - having conveniently forgotten about, for example, Bruce Willis' stance on the war. They might even have accepted the ' Team America: World Police' grotesque puppetry, that portrays Tim Robbins and Sean Penn as witless accomplices to terrorism.


And you know - despite all this - when Bush won this time around - I was still surprised and it left me feeling a great dread. Like a shadow had come upon the Earth.

May this world one day be healed.
darule05 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2004   Photographer
nuka-t Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2004
hehe, IE is on there. go firefox.

lets see...


yup, im clean.

nice pic, fav.
hybridfaerie Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2004  Professional General Artist
This is just perfect. I want to put it up on my door at home. It has so much to say even though it is a simple photograph. perfect.
antichristkid Featured By Owner May 28, 2004
I love the company logos as stars, this is a really great shot! deff. a fav!
activist Featured By Owner May 21, 2004
Beautiful shot


seraphimsphoto Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2004   Photographer

I'd hug you, but, I don't like you that much
i-r-d-munky Featured By Owner May 21, 2003
i really like that, the stars all replaced by company symbols and what not. really kewl. and im glad to know that there are other people like myself who think that war is incredibly stupid, no matter what the cost. good job.
cerebus215 Featured By Owner May 16, 2003   Photographer
let's bomb them all
birdman Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2003
yaaay, adobe is on the flag!

adiareallysucks Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2003   Interface Designer
awesome work and many comment s :D (Big Grin)
wicked-eve Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2003
IMHO this is a remarkable remarkable..emotional..and honest piece.
The person in the BG with the sign alone in addition to the flag and all the other people in the shot speaks volumes of my own belief in war....not only in Iraq and other current wars taking place at the moment but war all over.
How many innocent people will die before goverment officials (the president for one) realize that they are slaying thousands of innocent people daily...
mass amounts of dead bodies lay on the streets of afghanistan the same place children play and eat and live.
And this is alright.
Too many people refuse to realize that the answer to problems worldwide is not only war.
and if it is such...why not give the innocent people..the people merely caught up in the effect of leadership disagreement and issue the chance to flee the country..the chance to leave.
Some might say that in doing such countless terrorists and wicked people may escape the country and do more damage...but my theory is can one justify the deaths of thousands of innocent people whilst following a leader so hungry for "texas gold...the green" one who orders others to defend his country but would never take arms himself to defend is impossible to do...
war is not the only is merely the quickest.

Anyhow now im ranting...
excellent shot...
congrats on the fame its brought you
but more importantly..thank you for sharing it! :) (Smile)
a-jax Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2003
That picture rocks so much love it
patryck Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2003
Mind brainwashing propagnada.
It won't work on me you communist evil man.
friedzombiebrain = frie peoples brains, turn them into zombies, and screw up their brains.
ne1 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003   Photographer
"Wouldn't you want a man the commits genocide on his own people dethroned? If you say no your a liar"

i say yes, but there are more possiblities than war. there is more than only black and white. and, by the way, according to the blix, the un, the cia and the mossad it is a fact, that there are NO weapons of mass destruction in iraq...
you're thinking exactly the way the government wants you to... i respect your opinion somehow, but you seem to be not that well informed.

"If another huge disaster occurs because we don't go to war, I want every single one of you protestors to know that is your fault." calm down now. if you say so, i want you to go to iraq during the war and explain to all those children and people where there houses, their families are. explain to them, why it was an unfortunate mistake that a so called "smart" bomb hit a hospital. and so on...
what du you think what war will bring the people? food? health? houses? if you say yes, you're a liar.

yes, hussein is a tyrant, and yes, one has to care about iraqi people. but to say that one cares about people by bombin their land... come on, this is ridiculous.
thedarksaber Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003   Writer
Amazing photo...I wish I could have been there. +Favorites
kaytannee Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
Not hard to do,

Very hard to do the idea...


Basicly put, doesnt take much to photoshop, and alter to get to look like that.

But the best pieces arnt based upon how much it takes to make, they are based upon the idea. The idea is everything.

Nicely Done :D (Big Grin)
sharonfish Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
Really nice photo! I think you did a great job of capturing the mood of a bunch of angry people in the cold. I like the way the people in the foreground appear dark in contrast to the light buildings in the back. That combined with the limited use of color really draws you in.
And as for all you people using this to comment on the rightness or wrongness of the war, don't you think that's a bit inconsiderate to the artist who has to shift through all your complaining just to find a "I liked the pic" if there is anything on the piece at all? This isn't the place for ranting.
soulfoursale Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003   Photographer
I like the photo i feel it is very powerful. I dont support the war but i support our troops, and i want to know where i can get one of those flags.
xkorruptx Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
First off, I do like this photo. The blend of the black and white, with the color of the flag really brings out the message. Great photo.

In regards to the war, there is some things that people don't understand. Saddam Hussein in a tyrant. Imagine if somehow Bush tookover the government, had his opponents killed, even his 2 daughters kiled. Then he got a new weapon, and tested it on American citizens in their own cities. Wouldn't you want a man the commits genocide on his own people dethroned? If you say no your a liar. Saddam Hussein has to be stopped, he's insane. Second, Iraq has these bombs, that is a fact! People say that war is such a horrible thing. Well, that's true, but it's also true that the merciless slaughter of thousands of people is even worse. I'm not sure what the protestors want, do you just want to wait, till there is a repeat of 9-11? Cuz this is what we are facing. Many in the arab like us even less then they did 2 years ago. ANd while America fights amoungst herself, those in the middle east will not hesitate to go to war with us. Not for a second. They have no regard for human life and will set off a bomb in American homeland. What will it take to get you to realize that Bush is protecting us? He is doing a damn good job in the presidency, no matter what any of you say. I'm proud to have a moral president, who knows what he is doing in the command seat for this. He's the only one not moronic enough, to wait till thousands more Americans die to go to war. If another huge disaster occurs because we don't go to war, I want every single one of you protestors to know that is your fault. The lives of the thousands who died is on your shoulders. I don't like war, but I like dying at the hands of terrorists even less.

freezejeans Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
It's a very interesting photo, to be sure. Makes one wonder where all the protesters were in 1998 when Bill Clinton was lobbing cruise missiles into Iraq. There WASN'T any protest and nobody called him a "terrorist" or "warlord." Some of these so-called protesters around here have a very short memory and obviously don't see the big picture. Perhaps the fog will lift the next time there's a big terrorist attack, using chemical, biological, or radioactive weapons which will kill many more than 9/11.
anduril Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
Its a great photo and an even better manipulation. I can't say I agree with the message, or that I agree with the protests at all. I'm for the war and primarly for the reason that America is building an empire. Haha...yea take that anti-war people. Someone who admits to it...but oh wait I never mentioned that I'm not exactly for the war effort am I either? Oh...the stinger.

Anyways...I'm just proud I can live in a country where we can protest. Granted, half the protester I want to kick in the face because they're being so retarded in how they do things but hey thats life. Always a few idiots in the crowd ;) (Wink)
mortar Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
This is bullshit, Fuck IRAQ !
Shitty country of terrorist, some1 brave wanna fight it and u protest, fucken stupid ppl !

greggbrain Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
Great Picture, the filtering u used was perfect. Love that persons flag, even though it's a horrible mutilation of the American does seem like that's the way we're going.

On the subject of the war, it's all in the politicians hands. In the masses, there's two main viewpoint "War is bad" and "I don't care", "War is good comming in a far last. The fact seems to be that it's all controlled in DC, Bush is sitting there doinging his family's whole warhawk bit w/o the word of anyone else. War, for me, is a bad thing only just for the fact that it brings the horrible parts of our current form of democracy out in the open.

Just to prevent any backlash to this post, I'm not a communist, i'm just saying that democracy in its current form sucks ass. It's not even really a democracy, we (the US) has come way, WAY, to close to becoming a totalitarian state. What would have happened if MacArthur went ahead with attacking China? What if he won? There's no use to "what if" comments now, we all know the US is going to war, maybe some other countries too. No one's stopping Bush, and i don't think anyone really can...this is why I wanted Gore.
psychotica Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
the flag.. lol perfect, perfect.
nice work with the colours :D (Big Grin)
this is really great
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Chaos is an order to decipheR
ckythomyorke Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003   Digital Artist
VEEERRY nice with the pic, the flag is incredible, very nice, dont like the brown in the border tho =P (Razz)
crocodilefundy Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
this is great. Are all the company logo's on the flag republican sponsors?
slabe Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003

That flag looks like the ones that the people of ADBUSTERS did a while back.
Corporate somethin like that.

What ever.

Being that my Father is in the Military, and, well, he's not home, it would be better without a war, but somethings are nessecary NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS OR IS NOT NESSECARY, but i will support US in any decision they make.

lunamoth Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
make love not war

tee hee
j-tech Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
first: the pic is awsome! :-) (Smile)
second: i hate the american politics and government. thats it!
phlezk Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003

silly theme, but I wont comment as you asked. I saw that flag elsewhere, pretty petty :| (Blank Stare)

as a picture, simple... you discolored evetything but the flag...

nice enough Shrug

thevessel Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
I love seeing those flags... shows me that at least someone knows what's really going on.
mooboy Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
A very stirring shot indeed. I love the coloring you did on it. Has a very classic feel to it. I am not into the peace protests, but as you said, the picture stands on it's own merits.

A wonderful job!
fox718 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
An astonishing powerful shot indeed. Itshows the awsome power of people in unity and that corporate flag The selective coloring is a very wise decision on your part. I love this shot, Incredibly captivating and moving. awsome job. +FAV
pennyaura Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
Were they 'anti-war' rallies in the states? Ours was a peace rally. Hrm..
Anywho, The 'corporate logo' version of the flags has always been powerful, and you've managed to capture the passion surrounding it and the whole issue. Great job man.
loudreality Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
You did the right thing, use ur art to say something. Thats what art means. And what a beauthifull photograffy you remake!
My opinion is the same of yours, but the sad thing is that us alone cant bring peace and justice to politicans conscience.
inkedgirl666 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
Nice job. I like how you placed emphasis on the flag, instead of just keeping the whole picture in color, etc. I agree about the sticks, it muddles things up a little bit, but it also captures the busyness of a protest and the crowded feeling. The sign makes a nice second focal point.
nitroed Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
Great piece
culturalflux Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
Well, before I even scrolled down to the comments, I knew there was going to be a lot about the subject matter of the piece. However, I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say you should NOT daily fav a piece just because it stands for this or that, but because of the art content. And also, to the people who are bent out of shape over this, are you threatening our right to free speech by saying "Be thankful you've got it"? It's because of people like us, people power, that we have the right to our voice in this country. Guns and grenades can't keep back massive crowds of citizenry. Which is why Sadaam cannot be taken down by guns and grenades. Even if he is, someone worse will replace him. The only way democracy (people + power) will be secured is by the people themselves. I must admit that people on my side of the issue have to do more to encourage uprising in Iraq.

As for the artwork of the piece, the flag makes a nice contrast against the dulled out crowd, and the sign makes a secondary point of emphasis. It is a bit confused though with the masses of people around, and all the sticks from signs. I applaud you though, I tried to take pictures like this while marching, and it's a difficult task. Nobody is going to stop for you, so you have to get the shot just right.
bignate Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
Not sure about the message here but a good composition never the less.

anti-corp? anti-war? anti-bush? anti-american?

You might wanna visit [link] might give you some ideas
and some replacements for the incorrect corparate icons.

compaq hasnt existed for about a year.
ie is not a company but a product.... etc.

Good photo, Nate
aquadark Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hmm... addidas is not an american company, it is german... I can't see the reason why Its on the flag... anyway. Damn good photo and edit.
nasigoreng Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2003
Fantastic shot!
Very deep and a very good statement

As for the colours.... This is definitely my kinda pics. I luv soft colours like this.

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